Hanoi Jane Celebrated Shooting Down of B-52’s by Communist North Vietnamese

by lewwaters

If ever anyone wonder why so many of us Vietnam Veterans still harbor ill will against this woman, a excerpt from a speech given sometime in the early 1970’s at U.C. Berkeley where students in attendance applaud her claim of 34 American B-52’s being shot down by the Communist North Vietnamese. That is a potential of 170 American Servicemen killed.

7 Comments to “Hanoi Jane Celebrated Shooting Down of B-52’s by Communist North Vietnamese”

  1. I remember that. I was so young (as was she). I can’t imagine being held now to the unsophisticated, selfish, naive, irresponsible views I held then. You would think me a creep and loser too.

    She’s appologized repeatedly on national TV, and seems sincerely sorry. When she realized what she did (as she got older), she said that was the worst thing she’d ever done in her life. I understand if you, Lew, just can’t let it go.

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  2. Martin, you are far from what she ever was. She was not young, she was in her mid-thirties.

    She has never apologized, not once. She “expressed regret if the photo of her sitting at the anti-craft gun offended any of us.”

    Fonda’s Pseudo-Apology

    Tom Hayden and Jane Fonda

    Not once has she ever approached any Vietnam Veteran group and begged forgiveness. Insted, she stands by everything she did.

    Far different than someone who merely opposed the war, she actively sought and openly supported our defeat and, as heard in the video recording, was pleased with the thought of American servicemen being killed. I lost 13 buddies while in Vietnam, Martin and a couple high school friends before I went over myself.

    By many accounts, the war was over after our forces and the South Vietnamese decimated the Viet Cong and NVA in their ill-fated Tet of 68 offensive. General Giap, the top North Vietnamese General was said to have told some reporters after the fall of Saigon in 1975 that he was considering negotiating a surrender, something along the lines of Korea I imagine, but saw our weak link was back in the US with dullards like Fonda, Kerry and many others leading the anti-war movement, many of whom turned out to be devout communists themselves.

    After everything she did back then, radio broadcasts against our Troops from North Vietnam, funding coffee shops outside of Army bases to encourage young GI’s to desert and two shakey at best “regrets” for part of what she was seen doing, she turned round and blasted Vietnam Vets again by claiming out hating her was just “a cottage industry,” and if we were to stop, “that might mean that they’d have to look at some things that would question their own identity” in a 2004 interview with Paula Zahn.

    Now, add to that, the recent attempt by Jerry Lembcke, Marxist Sociologist Professor who claimes we lie when any of say how we were treated upon return or that any were spit upon and who claimed PTSD is a fallacy invented by the Nixon administration to explain away those few who actually served there and turned on it as suffering a mental disability, also now tries to rehabilitate Fonda’s action by claiming the “MYTH of ‘Hanoi’ Jane

    We have no reason to let it go, Martin. She has let thiis fester and compounded it over the years. In spite of her condemantions of capitalism, she vastly increased her own personal wealth under it too, didn’t she?

    I’ve never heard of her offering a dime to Disabled American Veterans, Vietnam Veterans fo America, the American Legion, Veterans of Foreign Wars or any Veterans group or hospital as any sort of atonement.

    No, she just wallows in her wealth and cries how mean we Vietnam veterans are for “misunderstanding” her hoping we were killed was merely to “end a war.” End it with our enemy vitorious? And when it did end as she advocated, what happened to the poor South Vietnamese? Boat People? Re-education Camps where thousands simply disappeared? Three decades of poverty and oppression?

    One other thing most people don’t realize. At the time we defeated the commuists so decisively in Tet of 68, there were only some 14,000 or so American dead from the total involvement. 5 years later, March of 1973 when we pulled our last Troops out, over 58,000 were dead.

    The prolonging of the war cost over 40,000 additional American lives nd from what I hear above, Fonda enjoyed hearing of them.

    It isn’t up to America to forgive her. It’s up to Vietnam veterans and she hasn’t dropped to her knees before us and begged our forgiveness.

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  3. Like I said, Lew, you get to keep your anger.

    BTW, here’s what she said in her book, on 60 minutes, and on several talk shows:

    “.. sitting on a enemy aircraft gun was a betrayal. It was like I was thumbing my nose at the military. And at the country that gave me privilege. It was the largest lapse of judgment that I can even imagine. I don’t thumb my nose at this country. I care deeply about American soldiers.”

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  4. Martin, after hearing in this audio talking gleefully about the B-52’s being shot down, those words are more hollow than ever.

    Her written word might claim to “care deeply about American soldiers,” her actions speak the exact opposite.

    At a 1970 gathering she said, “If you understood what Communism was, you would hope and pray on your knees that we would someday become Communist.” In the audio above she expresses admiration of socialism.

    And now she says, “I don’t thumb my nose at this country?”

    And of those radio broadcasts she made from North Vietnam? Last I heard, she stands by them. You can read the transcripts HERE

    Simply speaking on talk shows is not even close to coming before us to offer any sort of atonement or beg our forgiveness. Don’t forget, she is an actress trained and educated to speak convincingly before a camera, without actually embracing anything in the script.

    As words of torture began being told by our returning POW’s, after labeling them “hypocrites and liars.” She added, “These were not men who had been tortured. These were not men who had been starved. These were not men who had been brainwashed.” She further stated that the POWs were “military careerists and professional killers” who are “trying to make themselves look self-righteous, but they are war criminals according to the law.”

    As the brutality of the communist North Vietnamese she supported began coming to light, other anti-war activists like Joan baez stood up against it and spoke out on the human rights atrocities those she strongly supported committed. Fonda denounced them and conitnued to deny any atrocities by the communists, even as Boat people were desperately trying to escape Vietnam.

    Can you name a single thing she has ever done for Vietnam Vets to atone for her conduct and actions against us? I can’t. Not can i find a single reason to forgive her. Since she claims now to have become “Christian,” I’ll point out, , “Matthew 5:23 Therefore if you are presenting your offering at the altar, and there remember that your brother has something against you, 24 leave your offering there before the altar and go; first be reconciled to your brother, and then come and present your offering.”

    She still has not come to us.

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  5. She still has not gone to veterans.

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  6. She still has not apologized to America. Until then, she will always be a traitor.

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  7. She doesn’t need to apologize to America as much as she needs to come before Vietnam Veterans and beg forgiveness, which is doubtful she could receive after all of this time.

    First though, she would have to do the impossible and admit in her own heart that she was dead wrong.

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