Comparing Ho Chi Minh to America’s Founders is a Slap in the Face

by lewwaters

Ho Chi MinhI don’t know whether Barack Obama is as clueless as he comes across or if he honestly thinks sucking up to a Communist regime will somehow improve his dismal performance in the Oval Office, but comparing a brutal dictator like Vietnam’s Ho Chi Minh is a slap in the face to every American, especially to those of us who actually served in Vietnam during Ho’s reign of terror.

Standing alongside current Vietnamese President Truong Tan Sang, Obama recently said, “At the conclusion of the meeting, President Sang shared with me a copy of a letter sent by Ho Chi Minh to Harry Truman. And we discussed the fact that Ho Chi Minh was actually inspired by the U.S. Declaration of Independence and Constitution, and the words of Thomas Jefferson. Ho Chi Minh talks about his interest in cooperation with the United States. And President Sang indicated that even if it’s 67 years later, it’s good that we’re still making progress.”

Anybody who believes communism and our Declaration of Independence have anything in common is sadly mistaken.

To begin with, let’s peek at that “letter,” actually a telegram, that Ho sent to Truman in 1946. Why President Sang had to ‘bring’ Obama copy, I can’t understand since it is readily available in our own Government archives.

But he did and as we can see, Ho used the ploy of “independence” in appealing for America to “interfere” with the French who had held Vietnam as a colony long before World War Two and was reasserting their control afterward, calling for assistance in “support of [their] independence.”

In penning the Vietnamese Declaration of Independence in September 1945 Ho quoted, “All men are created equal; they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights; among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness.”

Of that he wrote, “This immortal statement was made in the Declaration of Independence of the United States of America in 1776. In a broader sense, this means: All the peoples on the earth are equal from birth, all the peoples have a right to live, to be happy and free.”

That has been a common ploy of the Communists ever since its beginnings, preach “independence” while actually enslaving.

Shortly before his death in September 1969, Ho tried a similar ploy with then President Nixon in an exchange as Nixon was striving to bring hostilities to an end, Nixon and others not recognizing that the “Tet of 68 offensive” was a resounding Military Defeat for the Communist North Vietnamese, but allowing it to become a decisive Political Victory for them instead.

Outlining how “the United States must cease the war of aggression and withdraw their troops from South Vietnam, respect the right of the population of the South and of the Vietnamese nation to dispose of themselves, without foreign influence,” Ho also said, “This is the correct manner of solving the Vietnamese problem in conformity with the national rights of the Vietnamese people, the interests of the United States and the hopes for peace of the peoples of the world.”

The last U.S. troops left Vietnam on March 29, 1973 in accordance with the negotiated withdrawal outlined in the Paris Peace Accords, recognizing the right of the both the South and the North to determine their own governance. Or so it said.

As we know, soon after the American Congress all but stripped all support of an Independent South Vietnam while the Communist North received much support from both the Communist Soviet Union and China and seeing that America was no longer going to support the South and their freedom, the Communist North launched an all out bloody assault against the South as we witnessed Communist tanks roll into the city of Saigon deep in the South as American helicopters hurriedly evacuated Diplomatic personnel from the rooftop of our Embassy at the end of April 1975.

Saigon Falls 02I previously described that as America’s Most Shameful Day. We sat and watched a free people fall to oppression as the South Vietnamese unable to board the last helicopters, struggled to leave the country, land on our aircraft carriers and a Naval Armada set sail for parts unknown, where they were unwanted.

Lauren Zanolli of George Mason University’s History News Network wrote in November 2006, “Historians have directly attributed the fall of Saigon in 1975 to the cessation of American aid. Without the necessary funds, South Vietnam found it logistically and financially impossible to defeat the North Vietnamese army. Moreover, the withdrawal of aid encouraged North Vietnam to begin an effective military offensive against South Vietnam. Given the monetary and military investment in Vietnam, former Assistant Secretary of State Richard Armitage compared the American withdrawal to ‘a pregnant lady, abandoned by her lover to face her fate.’ Historian Lewis Fanning went so far as to say that ‘it was not the Hanoi communists who won the war, but rather the American Congress that lost it’.”

Even though deceased by then, that was the fulfillment of Ho’s idea of being “deeply devoted to peace, a real peace with independence and real freedom.”

Not long after began what we called the exodus of the Vietnamese Boat People as untold hundreds of thousands of freedom seeking Vietnamese boarded any rickety craft they could to escape the “benevolent” Communists as the formerly free South Vietnamese were rounded up, assigned to “Reeducation Camps” never to be heard from again.

How many perished in the South China Sea at the hands of Pirates or weather will never be known. But thanks to Vietnamese author Le Thi Anh, we do know about the bloodbath within the “benevolent” The New Vietnam under Ho Chi Minh’s vision of a “unified Vietnam.”

Speaking next to Obama, Vietnam’s President Sang also said, “I also expressed my appreciation for the care that the U.S. has extended to the Vietnamese who came to settle in the United States and now they have become American citizens and contributing to the overall development of the U.S. And thanks to the support and assistance from the U.S. government as well as the American people, the Vietnamese-American community here in the U.S. has become more and more prosperous and successful in their life as well as work.”

Shameful that neither he nor Obama can make the same claim about Ho’s vision for Vietnam, expressed by a young Vietnamese woman married to a pilot I served with during the war, born after the Fall of Saigon in 1975, Do You Really Want to Rear Your Child in a Socialist Society?

In 1787 Founding Father Thomas Jefferson famously wrote: “The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is it’s natural manure.”

Nowhere will you find any of our Founders working so diligently to enslave an entire nation and place the people under an oppressive rule as Ho Chi Minh envisioned for the People’s of Vietnam.

That Obama can now compare the murderous tyrant Ho Chi Minh to the founding of the United States of America, even with all of our imperfections, is a slap in the face to the American people, the Vietnamese-American community and especially to the memory of those 58,195 names etched on the Wall in Washington D.C. of those who paid the ultimate sacrifice in support of South Vietnamese freedom.

19 Comments to “Comparing Ho Chi Minh to America’s Founders is a Slap in the Face”

  1. STUPID IS AS STUPID DOES – “nothing says “stupid” like a dumb nigga

  2. Vietnam is a closed chapter, and the winners get to write the history. We’re the losers.
    We’re also the losers in Cuba, Iraq, Somalia, and Afghanistan.

  3. Sorry Martin, it’s not a closed chapter, especially if history is to be rewritten to glorify Communism.

    Just because we turned our backs on a free people and allowed them to fall into oppression doesn’t make it the way the world should be, nor does it make it line with what the founders of this country envisioned.

  4. Lew, don’t be a sore loser.

  5. Far from it, Martin.

    You see, I actually witnessed where your guy is heading us, you only read a distorted version of it and don’t think it is real.

    Oh, and I didn’t lose, it was your party that voted to abandon a struggling freedom seeking people to Communism and certain death. We only obeyed the civilian authorities that forced us to abandon those poor people.

    I almost feel sorry for you, Martin. As much as you have personally accomplished and you still lack foresight into the realities of the world.

  6. Lew, it’s talk like that which separates me from Conservatives, but I do admit that if I’m not careful, my lack of support for Conservative values could be interpreted as supporting Marxist thinking. Try to understand that there’s a place BETWEEN where you are and where the populists are that I (and Obama) are in.

  7. Like you do, Martin, I speak how I feel.

    As for that place in between you speak of, it gets blurrier every day as those you support narrow that space.

    If you think Obama is somewhere in the middle, you’re only deluding yourself. He’s crafty, I’ll grant you that, but he is nowhere near in any middle ground.

    If he were, he would never praise a bloodthirsty tyrant like Ho Chi Minh and place him on par with our founders.

    Even the wrongs of our nation can never amount to the wrongs of those like Ho, who quote our documents of Independence only to delude people he wished to enslave.

    Why should I think Obama wants anything less than what Ho wanted?

    But like I said, since I got to witness it firsthand, what would I know?

    Read this 1968 Readers Digest article on him: http://www.paulbogdanor.com/left/vietnam/hochiminh.html

    What can I expect from those who think Fidel Castro and Che Guevara were benevolent liberators?

  8. There is nothing sweeter than living free. I understand the liberal left thinking that if we leave the seen of crime when we are faced with it we will not perhaps carry the burden of harming those who would perpetrate the crime. Not much different than the current kooks who think that everyone should try to run away rather than stand their ground and defend themselves. When a dictator has only one goal and that goal is only complete submissive oppression then there is no where to run to. So in both of these cases there is only one lesson to drive back the would be thief, rappist, mugger, dictator, or the serial killer with genocide in his sights… stand and defend yourself and others! Your a nice guy Martin but you are wrong and Obama is wrong. You cannot be all giving and not give all for true freedom.

  9. Martin, as was scrawled on a bunker in Ke Sahn: “To have really lived, you must have almost died. To those who have fought for it, freedom has a flavor the protected will never know.”

    I do not expect you to understand that.

  10. Lew, such atrocities are not limited to Communists. Islamist-Fascists have demonstrated all too well, from Ramadi to Downtown Sadr city. The game is the same among lawless people and sociopaths everywhere. Who can forget the horse’s head scene from the “Godfather”, or explain other wise the abuse of Colonial’s by Indians as informed by not so rogue French forces. I haven’t begun to talk about WWII or the Japanese invasion of China. While there have been random atrocious acts committed by small number of US Military forces, those have not been by any stretch the majority of cases. Unlike other’s cruel acts in war, they are not the norm but rather the exception.

  11. How right you are, Dennis.

    Everybody is quick to always remind us of My Lai, but how many never heard of Hue or desperately try to say it is a myth

    http://vnafmamn.com/fighting/massacre_athue.html

    We prosecute such acts. I have yet to hear of any of our enemies doing so as well.

    Incidentally, for those that do not know, the Massacre of Hue by the Communist North Vietnamese happened under the direction of Ho Chi Minh.

  12. As a sovereign nation Vietnam had the right to choose Communism as its political system… forced deomocracy under an occupying government isn’t the same thing as freedom… even if the choice is a mistake, it is their right to make it.

  13. The fallacy of your thought, Janelle, is it wasn’t American tanks busting down the gate at a North Vietnamese Embassy in April 1975, was it?

    That wasn’t much of a “choice” for the South Vietnamese.

    You obviously live in a deluded state of mind, fed disinformation most of your pitiful life by liberal teachers and college professors full of shit.

    Seek out some of the aging Vietnamese in our communities, especially if they escaped as the ‘Boat People’ and ask them just who forced what on them.

    And since it is obvious you did not read “lily’s” essay, she’s the Vietnamese woman born after the Communist took over and grew up under that benevolent “choice” you seem to prefer, I suggest you read it now, if for no other reason than to begin pulling your head out of your ass: http://rightinaleftworld.blogspot.com/2008/07/do-you-really-want-to-rear-your-child.html

  14. Thank you for the link to Lily’s essay. It was very informative, and I agreed with most of what she was saying. I also know that socialist or communist dictatorships don’t just fall from the sky. There is a historical context in which they are allowed to grow and gain control. Most often with the consent of the people and support of foreign governments. It is profound how many dictatorships the US has supported with arms and money, only to turn tail later when things got too hot. All I am saying is that the people get to choose socialism, communism, fundamentalism… either through voting or through silence. And if they don’t like it, it is THEIR responsibility to revolt…. violently, or non-violently, arms or non-cooperation there are many ways to bring down a dictatorship that do not include an invading foreign entity, because most often that entity has an agenda that has nothing to do with the will or welfare of the people it is fighting for, but will gladly pay in the blood of their own citizens to make whatever political gains they think such a move will grant them.

  15. Your ignorance knows no bounds, Janelle. Communism has always by the gun or subterfuge.

    You made a very biased and ill informed statement on the Vietnamese people, the brutal manner communism was imposed upon the formerly free South and we haven’t even addressed the reeducation camps or the millions of people that just disappeared from them after your benevolent communists swooped in and imposed their rule.

    Yes, we have supported some I’d rather we didn’t, but if you look closer you would find it was the lesser of two evils, such as our alliance with the Soviet Union and Joseph Stalin in WW2 to defeat the Nazi’s.

    What you still fail to realize is that we were not an occupying force in Vietnam, we were there by invitation and under a Status of Forces Agreement. Although we could not be prosecuted under Vietnamese Courts, we were subject to Vietnamese law as well as the UCMJ.

    I suggest you learn some real history on Vietnam away from the liberal anti-war professors that permeate colleges today.

    Some books I’ll suggest for you, Unheralded Victory by Mark Woodruff and This Time We Win by James S. Robbins for starters.

    By the way, since you didn’t grow up under the Communist Vietnamese, it’s mighty big of you to say you can only agree with some of what Lily wrote.

    You see, people like her and Veterans like me, we didn’t learn it from books, we lived it up close and personal, her for a much longer period.

    People that choose Communism, most not realizing the lies they are promised, lose their lives frequently trying to escape from it. After Vietnam I spent three years in Germany, our mission patrolling the fence line (yes, there was a tall fence separating free Germany from the Communist side) the Communist erected. Not to keep us out, but to keep their people in.

    You got a lot of learning to do, hon.

  16. Ah well, I guess we are all entitled to our own prejudices formed by our life experiences– mine which you know nothing about. I don’t think you are purposely misrepresenting me, but you are truly just reading what you want to read. In such a case, it is not worth replaying. Cheers to you.

    Janelle

  17. Yes Janelle, I am “prejudiced” based upon life experiences. Yet, you fail to see that my prejudice is based upon the fact of living through it, whereas you can only form an opinion from either book of deluded professors.

    You see, the problem for all too long is that people like you have your minds made up and refuse to listen to those of us who were actually there and involved in it. I suspect it might let you see how wrong you are.

    You see, dear, I am also originally from Southeast Florida where the Cubans also risked life and limb escaping the benevolence of Castro’s communism after they, and the Americans, supported his revolution, not realizing he planned on setting up a Communist dictatorship.

    I read what you write and I have seen anything of any value yet. If I read only what I wanted to read your comments would have been deleted.

    But you go ahead, run away with your tail tucked between your legs, how typical when someone is being forced to look at their delusional thinking.

    Better to run away, cling to the lies and remain in the dark than to wake up to the truth.

    I actually pity people like you.

  18. I’m not running away so I don’t have to face your supreme rightness. I’m done with this conversations because it feels like a one way conversation in which you are totally uninterested in what I have to say. Why would I continue a dialog in an environment like that. And my prejudice does not come from books. I lived through another kind of hell, having had the privilege of being born to the generation immediately following the war where children were raised by angry, alcoholic, unpredictable, unavailable shell shocked dads. My particular version was that of a single dad, so I didn’t even have the benefit of a mother who might soften our relationship. So excuse me if I have little patience for your pretentions and assumptions about what you think I know or don’t know or my ability to have an original or intelligent thought.

  19. And again, your ignorance shines brightly.

    What you wish to call my “supreme rightness” is nothing more than I and many like me have probably been putting up with ill-informed bull shit from your kind longer than you have been alive.

    Your garbage you have been spewing is not even close to “an original or intelligent thought.”

    It’s the same bull shit propaganda KGB agents planted in the anti-war left decades ago.

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