It’s Time to Get Realistic About Gun Control

by lewwaters

Pistol 2Once again, pure evil visited a community in America and the media wasted no airtime informing the world of it. At least 28 people, 20 of them small children lie dead because of the callous act of a lone mentally disturbed gunman who felt he should end so many lives at an Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut.

Barack Obama said, “As a country, we have been through this too many times. Whether it’s an elementary school in Newtown, or a shopping mall in Oregon, or a temple in Wisconsin, or a movie theater in Aurora, or a street corner in Chicago — these neighborhoods are our neighborhoods, and these children are our children. And we’re going to have to come together and take meaningful action to prevent more tragedies like this, regardless of the politics.”

New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg, a long time gun control advocate says, “With all the carnage from gun violence in our country, it’s still almost impossible to believe that a mass shooting in a kindergarten class could happen. It has come to that. Not even kindergarteners learning their A,B,Cs are safe. We heard after Columbine that it was too soon to talk about gun laws. We heard it after Virginia Tech. After Tucson and Aurora and Oak Creek. And now we are hearing it again.

Boston, Massachusetts Mayor Thomas Menino adds his voice with, “Now is the time for a national policy on guns that takes the loopholes out of the laws, the automatic weapons out of our neighborhoods and the tragedies like today out of our future.

Actress Mia Farrow left on twitter, “I don’t want to hear one idiotic word out of the NRA. Gun control is no longer debatable- it’s not a ‘conversation’- It’s a moral mandate.

Bombastic filmmaker Michael Moore brayed, “The way to honor these dead children is to demand strict gun control, free mental health care, and an end to violence as public policy.

Within hours of the news breaking of the carnage, as level-heads were saying “now is not the time” for more discussion on guns, MomsRising.org, a spin-off the far left Moveon.org sent out an email blast stating, “We are beyond heartbroken as we think of the kindergarteners and others that died today in Connecticut. Today is the 3rd day this week when there’s been a mass shooting in our nation. We are parents. Many NRA members are parents. And none of us want to live in a nation where children are gunned down. #Todayistheday for the NRA and for Congress to step up and start proposing laws that protect children and all people.

Throughout the day and continuing today we read of more calls for new laws concerning guns in America. From the style of gun to the capacity of the magazine, even to the false claims of “automatic weapon,” the cry goes out to “do something.”

I agree, we must do something and we must do it soon to protect our children and our families.

December 1, 1997 saw three students killed and five wounded at Heath High School in West Paducah, Kentucky.

May 21, 1998 we saw two students killed and 22 others wounded in the cafeteria at Thurston High School in Springfield, Oregon.

April 20, 1999 in Littleton, Colorado 15 students, including the 2 shooters and one teacher were killed, 27 others wounded at Columbine High School.

April 16, 2007 saw Seung-Hui Cho at Virginia Tech University killing 32 students and faculty, and wounding another 17 people.

And now, December 14, 2012 at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut, 20 children and 7 adults are dead, including the mother of the shooter.

And it isn’t only schools were it happens. We recently saw the shooting at the Clackamas Town Center Mall that left 3 dead, including the shooter.

Back on October 16, 1991 saw 23 people slaughtered as they peacefully dined at a Luby’s Cafeteria in Killeen, Texas by a madman.

November 5, 2009 saw Maj. Nidal Hasan murder 13 soldiers and injure 32 others at Ft. Hood, Texas.

July 20, 2012 saw another madman kill 12 people and wound scores more in an Aurora, Colorado movie theater.

We have seen far too many of these incidents, but those demanding more gun laws, more gun bans and neutering of the NRA all miss the common denominator in every one of these shootings.

Each and every one of them happened in a place that already had a strict, no guns allowed policy.

That’s right, in each case, the gunman was already openly ignoring and in violation of existing gun laws as well as ignoring the policies of “no guns allowed” when they entered and began their carnage, knowing there was little to no chance of anyone stepping up to oppose them.

In simpler words, our increasingly strict laws against guns and their use has never stopped one single bullet exiting the barrel of any criminal or madman. They pay no attention to written law and often the gun used was stolen or obtained illegally.

Even those who obtained their gun legally and “snapped” pay no heed to laws and if bent on killing masses of people, seek out those “gun free” places to carry out their mayhem.

This argument on disarming American citizens is not new. An April 30, 1866 editorial in the New York Times argued against students carrying pistols, citing “A boy of 12 has his pantaloons made with a pistol pocket; and this at a boarding-school filled with boys, who, we suppose, do or wish to do the same thing. We would advise parents to look into it, and learn whether shooting is to be a part of the scholastic course which may be practiced on their boys; or else we advise them to see that their own boys are properly armed with the most approved and deadly-pistol, and that there may be an equal chance at least of their shooting as of being shot.”

For a very long time we have seen efforts to establish what opponents to guns label as “common-sense” gun regulations. And for a very long time we have seen those very regulations ignored and violated by criminals and madmen, seeking out those very well known “gun-free” areas to carry out their dastardly deeds.

What those who condemn the gun ignore is cases where an armed citizen out a stop to any carnage by drawing their own legally concealed firearm, just as thousands of homeowners have done, defending and saving their own lives and the lives of others.

News reports may mention citizens stepping in to stop the mayhem, but often do not mention that those who stepped up did so with their own gun, many times not needed to even fire it, shooters stopping realizing they were about to be shot.

Suzanna Gratia-Hupp gave an emotional account of seeing her parents gunned down in the 1991 Luby’s cafeteria shootings before Congress and how her compliance with the then Texas Law prevented her from saving her parents and others, leaving her own firearm locked in her car. The gunman paid no attention to the law that was expected to keep people safe.

A 1997 school shooting was stopped in Pearl, Mississippi when Vice-Principal Joel Myrick retrieved his Colt .45 from his truck and held the shooter for Police as he was about to leave Pearl High School, headed to the nearby Junior High to continue his carnage.

Had Mr. Myrick been allowed to have his gun on his person he might have been able to prevent at least some of the dead or wounded, but he definitely prevented more deaths planned at the other school.

In 2002 we saw a lone gunman who decided to terrorize the Appalachian Law School being tackled by three students, two of whom were armed, putting a stop to the gunman’s plans before the body count reached that we saw in the Virginia Tech shooting years later where no one was permitted to be armed.

Again, the gunman ignored the laws and regulations, seeing easy targets in another “Gun-Free” school campus.

We saw another gunman who decided to slaughter worshippers at the New Life Church in Colorado Springs, Colorado brought down by an armed citizen in attendance that day before he killed more.

April 2012 saw a knife wielding man stopped dead in his tracks in Salt Lake City, Utah as an armed citizen put an end to his rampage stabbing and slashing others.

Time and again, qualified, licensed citizens have sprung into action stopping criminals and madmen before their rampage caused a much higher body count than planned.

We are just now learning that the shooter at the Clackamas Town Center was confronted by a man with a concealed carry license.

Since it is now known the gunman had several loaded magazines, did he take his own life thinking he was about to be shot or arrested, ending his body count at 2 instead of dozens that he might have hoped for?

Time and again we see where properly trained, legally licensed citizens with a firearm prevented high body counts when these criminals and madmen go on a rampage. No law passed, no matter how bold you may print “we really mean it this time” has stopped these gunmen.

Guns are here and criminals have no intent of surrendering their gun, no matter what law is passed. If they want to create mayhem, they can obtain a gun easier by illegal methods than legal.

If they don’t have access to a gun, many just use a knife, a hammer, a screwdriver or mix regular household items into an explosive device to carry out their intent.

They just ignore the laws.

Guns were banned in England and strict controls put on them. Yet they saw an increase in gun crime.

They also saw such an increase in knife crimes, where the victim was unable to defend themselves due to those strict gun regulations, doctors began advocating a kitchen knife ban.

What else will they propose be banned or heavily regulated before they wake up and realize the problem is not in the tool used by criminals and madmen, but the criminal and madmen themselves?

We do need gun regulations, no one argues that. Certain people should not be able to purchase or possess a gun. Few people argue that.

But guns are here to stay.

We do not need to disarm innocent people and leave them an easy prey to madmen and criminals. As we saw in examples above, a properly trained and licensed teacher, vice-Principal or Administrator in a school could put a stop to the mayhem before it grows.

When seconds count, Police are but minutes away.

How many more must die while waiting on them to arrive?

28 Comments to “It’s Time to Get Realistic About Gun Control”

  1. Well, I would have shot him. But we’re trained for that sort of thing: having a weapon in that situation and NOT using it was the WRONG decision. If you don’t trust your aim, you shouldn’t be carrying.

    That said, your take is right on target. And now the people who, in similar circumstances would have begged or pleaded for one of us to take the shooter out if it had been THEIR children in that situation… or even themselves… are punishing the law-abiding for the actions of those law-breakers.

    Is it any wonder this country is such a massive train wreck?

  2. Gun control will work about as well as did Prohibition and the War on Drugs…

    In other words, the price goes up and anyone wanting a gun will still be able to GET a gun…

  3. I do agree with you about the need to restrict access to weapons for unqualified persons. 40% of current gun purchases don’t require background checks of any kind, primarily because the gun show loophole has not been closed. But I also don’t see any reason why non-military non-police personnel should be able to own non-hunting weapons. Your stats on the UK are outdated. Their homicide rates by gun have gone down significantly over the last decade, as is true in Australia, France, Netherlands, Japan, and all the other developed nations have much, much lower death rates than ours. Gun rights advocates like to cite Switzerland as a place with high gun ownership and low homicide rates. Their high ownership is only in the context of other first-world countries. They still only have half the number of guns per citizen that we do. There are a number of sensible actions we could take. Ban manufacture of high-capacity magazines. Reinstate the assault weapons ban that expired in 2004. Raise the ownership age, and require extra qualification for males under 30, since all these mass shootings have been committed by young men.

  4. the “assault weapon ban of 2004″ was an absolute joke.

  5. Funny thing with all of these bogus claims on “gun show loophole.”

    I happened to purchase my .357 from a gun show and had to wait on the background check before I could take it home.

    The only time buyers did not have to wait was if they already had completed a background check in order to have their concealed carry license.

    http://www.examiner.com/article/the-myth-of-the-gun-show-loophole

    http://www.examiner.com/x-2581-St-Louis-Gun-Rights-Examiner~y2010m1d25-Gun-show-loophole-lawsa-ridiculous-new-twist

    Funny that you should claim “Your stats on the UK are outdated. Their homicide rates by gun have gone down significantly over the last decade” when the UK Daily Mail said Gun crime goes up by 89% in a decade just in 2009.

    America is far from the highest rate of gun deaths as well. Ho is it that Mexico, with their very strict, outright ban on private gun ownership has a higher death rate than we do? Perhaps people there ignore written laws as well?

    That it is the main point you all turn a blind eye to. You have yet to realize that criminals do not obey the law and act as they see fit. They even ignore laws against stealing guns as well.

  6. “But I also don’t see any reason why non-military non-police personnel should be able to own non-hunting weapons.”

    Then you’re not up-to-speed on the true meaning of the 2nd amendment. The right to bear arms has nothing to do with hunting and everything to do with self-defense against criminals (and for that matter against criminal acts of governments against their own people).

    More anti-gun regulations are completely pointless. The only two things that have any possibility of success are (a) keeping weapons out of the hands of mentally defective individuals, which starts at home, and (b) well-trained armed citizens carrying weapons so that they can react instantly if needed.

  7. Our heartfelt love and prayers go out to all families & there friends of those tha lost their little ones and adult family members to this evil minded individual!!!
    Gun control failed the Children and those in charge at the school in Connecticut!!!
    The killer broke at least 3 gun control laws. If one of the teachers or staff would have had a permit to carry at the school, many of these Children and adults would have been saved!!!

    Respectfully,

    Chuck Miller

  8. Gun shows where I live do not require checks, Lew, so even if they do where you live, the loophole isn’t closed. I was misinformed about the UK rate by having been there often, however the actual figure (for 2011) is 39 UK deaths vs 9,146 in the US. It therefore takes very few in number to increase their rate. And I didn’t say the US had higher gun deaths than ALL countries. I gave specific comparisons. There are plenty of places with corrupt governments throughout Latin America that have higher rates per capita. El Salvador and Jamaica are both higher than Mexico. Here’s the actual list: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate

    But I get it. I’m in the “you people” category, so now you have license to mis-characterize what I actually said. No room for honest debate allowed.

  9. Mikey, even though the second amendment is not about hunting, can you explain what a “non-hunting weapon” is?

    Or do you not realize the general public does not have access to fully automatic weapons used by today’s Military unless they were stolen? The expiration of the so-called Assault Weapons ban did not allow the public to buy fully automatic weapons legally. A huge fallacy by the anti-gun crowd is the effort to convince a semi-automatic is the same as a fully automatic.

    I can eject and reload and fire almost as fast with my bolt action as many can with their semi-automatics and I am not alone in that. Neither will fire until fully releasing the trigger and squeezing it again.

    Your thought of raising the ownership age is senseless, considering the shooters in Clackamas and Connecticut both stole guns from someone they knew.

    You also fall for the false notion of high capacity magazines. Regardless of how many cartridges a magazine holds, it only takes a second to eject and insert a fresh one.

  10. Mikey, gun shows are regulated by federal laws. http://usgovinfo.about.com/blgunshow.htm#laws

    One area statistics on gun deaths do a disservice on is they do not break down how many of the deaths were in legitimate self defense or defending others. They just lump all of them together.

    And again, you have not yet explained how you will convince criminals to follow a new law.

    Whining is not appreciated here.

  11. Does anybody realize the latest reports state that these children were shot mostly by rifle fire? NO automatic weapon involved and a couple of hand guns/shotgun scenarios are in the fray of the recent mass gun killings. So this nonsense of blocking certain types of weapons is just a gateway ploy to wear down the citizens into accepting the right of the government to encroach on the rights not afforded by the government but rather by God according to our constitution and bill of rights. I for one refuse to get caught up in the muck of this vs that and focus on the truth. My truth is that if society would once again return to teaching actual history and respect of individuals rights we would most certainly find a generation of people who in fact would learn to respect and obey those laws which are meant to enable all of us to live freer.

  12. P.S. Mickey, my husband had to wait for a background check and then after our local sheriff cleared him the gun bought at the gunshow on his 45th birthday was delivered via a local merchant store where we had to go and re-prove he was indeed himself in order to pick up the gun. This took four weeks.

  13. The latest I heard yesterday, Carolyn, he used hand guns stolen from his mother after he murdered her. The rifle was said to have been found sitting in his car, Police were saying last night.

  14. I know. I heard the same things yesterday. Today it is handguns and rifles. Time will tell the truth but still no automatic weapons which is the core point.

  15. Mikey, you think we are just being contrary? Think again.

    According to an MSNBC report, gun laws worked as designed to deny Adam Lanza from purchasing a gun recently.

    http://video.today.msnbc.msn.com/today/50208495#50208495

    However, he just murdered his own mother and stole her guns.

    Maybe they should write stiffer laws on murdering people in order to steal their legal guns?

  16. A little more education for you, Mikey

  17. Mikey, the “Assault Weapons Ban” was based entirely on how a gun looked. “Military-looking” weapons were banned while those rifles with a more “hunting” look were permitted. The reality is that the accessories that made civilian “Assault Weapons” are mostly decorative and have little real effect on their function. Civilian guns are either manual (single shot, or shots from a magazine requiring cocking the gun after each pull of the trigger) or semi-automatic, where the next bullet is loaded “automatically” but does not fire until the trigger is pulled. Fully automatic guns (where the trigger is held in firing position while multiple shots are fired) are highly restricted and are rarely allowed in civilian hands. Military assault weapons are all fully automatic, though they also have a semi-automatic setting (to keep soldiers from wasting ammunition). This was a “feel good” regulation that did nothing to improve safety of the citizens and it violated the Second Amendment (if you care anything about the Constitution).

    The Supreme Court has decided that the Second Amendment gives citizens the right to be armed for self defense in their home AND on the streets (having found in favor of concealed weapons (with permit) or unconcealed carry). A few localities continue to have unconstitutional regulations, that are currently being contested. Self defense weapons will have different characteristics than hunting weapons. They will be designed for easier use in close quarters and may have larger magazines and various “assault weapon” looking accessories that provide safer and more effective use in a stressful situation.

    The whole philosophy of gun control has it backward. Restricting guns is counter productive. Just like having a sufficient level of vaccinations (as a % of the population) gives the community herd immunity, having a sufficient number of legally armed citizens carrying weapons in all public locations will create a “herd immunity” to gun crimes. The criminal will never know when an armed citizen might be able to “take him out” and therefore criminals will be less inclined to use a weapon. The current situation where criminals (or the crazy) can go where guns are restricted, then “shoot at will” leaves us open to similar disasters in the future.

    We are, unfortunately, living in a society that has a multitude of anonymous citizens — those living in larger cities no longer know their neighbors and the mentally deranged or emotionally unstable people are not easily identified — so there are too many possibilities for they type of incident where a deranged person takes a gun to a public place and shoots/kills many people. Think how different the outcome in Newtown might have been if the teachers were all trained in defensive tactics and armed with appropriate weapons? Or, if even just 25% of the teachers were armed. This incident is likely to have had a very different outcome.

  18. Hear Hear! Friend of John Gault an excellent analysis. Thank you!

  19. The only gun control rules should be a “tight shot group.”

    (That’s “rules” as opposed to “laws.”)

  20. The greatest hreat this nation faces is from the lying, rotten bastards in the media.I can’t wait until the general public storms media facilities and burns the SOB’s out.That should be the first step in any Revolution.

  21. I flew for United Airlines back in the early 60s. Security was there, but nothing like what it is today. During flight training we were told that a “nut” with a pencil or ballpoint pen was just as dangerous as a “nut” with a gun! It’s not the weapon, folks, it’s the “nut”!!! If Obama goes after our guns he needs to remember what ATF did at the Mexican border! I’ll take care of myself!
    Stephanie

  22. The last time I checked, the nut in Newtown was not using a pencil. Nor was he using a 19th century single-action revolver pictured at the beginning of this piece. He was using a .223 Bushmaster with 30 shot clips.

  23. And that goes right over your head, Schuyler. Did you miss the reports of over 20 children being slashed with a knife in China on the same day?

    Did you miss that gun control laws actually worked, just as they were written and designed when he was denied the purchase of a rifle just days before?

    Did they make any difference? No.

    He just murdered his mother and stole her guns.

    The capacity of a clip is irrelevant. Be it 10, 20, 30 or more, it doesn’t matter. It only takes a second to eject and insert another one.

    Do yourself a favor and educate yourself on guns. They are not going to disappear and no matter what new law, new restriction or prohibitions are passed by liberals, criminals will just continue ignoring them and attacking innocents. Disarming the general public just gives them that many more easy targets.

  24. The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants: Thomas Jefferson. Hang & shoot is what America is all about! Islam ate Besantium and reds ate czars because they didn’t execute anyone. Now Putin don’t like us giving assault rifles to Syrian freedom fighters. Better bloodshed than slavery! When Caesar put down Celtic liberty, all we got was fascist empire. Besides, their parents all voted for Obama.

  25. As with Civil Rights, Women’s Rights, Reproductive Rights and Gay Rights, the Right’s opposition to firearm regulation is about to be left in the dust by history.

  26. Pray tell, Nathan, with all of the current regulations passed and on the books, which one did any good to stop the carnage?

    Why do you people feel safe by confining yourself to an enclosed area where you become an easy target?

    Why not just write a bill requiring criminals to obey the laws they currently disobey?

    There is a reason why cities with the strictest gun regulations also suffer the highest murder rates.

  27. Reproductive rights? Cut the p.c. crap. Call it what it is. Slaughter of yet unborn and utterly defenseless human beings. God help me I am sick and tired of the warm fuzzies used by the liberals to commit genocide and a full return of the planet to serfs through “equalization” and “justice”. How about using proper english terminology and call it regulations, taxation and control.

  28. “Reprouctive Rights = “pro-death”

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