UPDATED (RESIGNED): Ms. “Douchie,” Lindsey Stone Flips Off America’s Deceased Heroes at Arlington Cemetery

by lewwaters

Latest Update: Lindsey Stone resigned from her job, November 21, 2012. Both her and Jamie Schuh are no longer are employed by LIFE. The employer issued the following on their facebook page,

Vandalization of our Veterans Memorials has been a problem for some time. If it wasn’t vandals then it was the ACLU, atheists, anti-war ilk and more and each has been met head on, in one way or another informing them that our Memorials are sacred and sit on hallowed ground. But, as the photo below shows, some take their disrespect too far.

This woman, identified as a Lindsey Stone who lives in Plymouth, Massachusetts and took  the photo while on a company sponsored trip by her employer, LIFE- Living Independently Forever

The self proclaimed “Douchebag” tried to explain it away on twitter,

“Meant no disrespect?” Then what in the hell did she mean? What “authority” is she challenging standing next to the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier, the authority of our deceased Soldiers who paid the ultimate sacrifice for her to be a “douchebag?”

And just who else would she be flipping off but the memory of those sacrificed their lives for our country? No, Ms. Stone, this is far different than smoking next to a No Smoking sign, likely far away from people.

Her employer left the following on their facebook page, as outraged Veterans and Patriots are flooding the page with negative comments.

“It has come to our attention that a member of LIFE staff has posted a photo on a personal facebook page that has upset others. This photo in no way reflects the opinions of LIFE staff members and/or anyone affiliated with our organization. We sincerely apologize for any offense that the photo may have caused and we are drafting an official apology to be released in the morning.”

Since the employers comment says “This photo in no way reflects the opinions of LIFE staff members and/or anyone affiliated with our organization,” and the photo was taken during  an employer paid trip, I can only hope that means Ms. Stone and Ms. Schuh, who is said to have taken the photo are seeking more suitable employment.

After all, since the employer seems to be a retirement facility for seniors, there is a very good chance many aging Veterans reside there and if she disrespects the Nations Premier Veterans Memorial in such a way, I can only imagine the ill treatment she may give to those in her care.

Ms. Stone, you brought this on yourself as did the one who is said to have taken the photo, a co-worker named Jamie Schuh.

Maybe you will think about your disrespectful act standing in the unemployment line.

See also: For the Benefit of Lindsey Stone, Jamie Schuh and any Other Who Doesn’t Understand the Outrage

UPDATE 1: This morning, November 20, 2012 the employer issued the following on their facebook page

On Nov. 19 at approximately 6 p.m., we became aware that one of our employees had posted an offensive, inappropriate photograph on her personal Facebook page. The photo was taken at a national historic site in October by a fellow employee during a trip to Washington, D.C. attended by 40 residents and eight staff. The photo has since been removed from Facebook, and both employees have been placed on unpaid leave pending the results of an internal investigation.

This photograph in no way reflects the opinions or values of the LIFE organization, which holds our nation’s veterans in the highest regard. We are proud to have veterans serving on our staff and board of trustees, and we value their service. The men and women who have selflessly fought and sacrificed their lives to protect the rights and lives of Americans deserve our utmost respect and gratitude. We are acutely aware that this photo has done a disservice to veterans and we are deeply saddened that it was taken
and shared in a public medium.

UPDATE 2: Some media have now picked up the story, including this one Lindsey Stone defends her controversial Tomb of the Unknown Soldier photo and sought out the ACLU on the matter, who says in part,

“Private companies have a lot more leeway under the law to fire or punish employees for their speech outside of work than do government employers. Either workers need to organize together to protect their speech outside of the office from employer reprisals, or they need to watch what they say online.”

Too bad they can’t tell people to not only watch what you say, but learn to show some respect for those who have given their lives for people to have the freedom to be jerks like Lindsey Stone and Jaime Shuh.

45 Comments to “UPDATED (RESIGNED): Ms. “Douchie,” Lindsey Stone Flips Off America’s Deceased Heroes at Arlington Cemetery”

  1. sadly we vetrerans served so this Peice of SH## could do that.imangine it that nutcase in Germany had won. she would have been shot on sight.

  2. So Ms Stone, you want to challenge authority? How is that working for you? Looks like you boss is getting ready to throw you under the bus. And you are going to have a heck of a time getting another job because who would want to hire a self-proclaimed “Douche-bag” that has authority issues?? You may have to change your name and dye your hair. Oh, one other thing; while you are at it, change your attitude and grow up1

  3. Interesting. Notice how she says “us.” I wonder who else was involved. Someone had to take the picture. I’ll bet they thought they were being pretty funny as well. #disgusted

  4. Lindsey M Stone
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    Blog note: Personal information should not be listed as it is unknown if the information is for the right person. Thanks

  5. Apparently, she simply cannot understand normal thinking.

    Just sayin’.

  6. the nutcases are coming out of the woodwork. now that the Leftist sonsabitches have taken over.

  7. Wow! Your not to smart are you Ms. Stone!

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  9. How can you “mean no disrespect” when you obviously have no idea of what constitutes respect? How can you possibly be surprised by the response to your idiocy? Why not just go up to the guards and SPIT on them? That’s how many people “thanked” Viet Nam Veterans back in the day. How is denigrating those unknowns who gave their lives – and the men who faithfully guard that tomb night and day in all weather – challenging “authority?” THEY did their DUTY and paid the ultimate price. Many others paid with years of their lives and their health for YOUR freedom. MY FATHER, uncle and cousin, all decorated WWII veterans, were buried with HONOR they EARNED after surviving that war and leading productive lives in service to others. So you see, to ME it IS personal!

  10. To “Jack” – nutcases come out no matter who is “in charge.” Your remark is nearly as offensive as this woman’s photograph and action. Please see above post.

  11. the “who is ‘in charge'” is about a disrespectful idiot who never served in our armed forces and deliberately snidely referred to the “marine corpse”, a huge insulting offensive slap at our patriotic american warriors. that’s offensive.

  12. had this been somewhere such as a library, it might’ve been somewhat funny, but wtf was she thinking doing this at a MEMORIAL!

  13. i think its funny that all of you are so pissed about some girl that none of you have met lol – just let it go sheep you are bigger than that

  14. Something tells me you wouldn’t find it a joke if someone were to photoshop a burning cross in front of Martin Luther King’s statue, Kevin.

    Then too, I imagine you never served or faced an enemy on the battlefield defending the country and therefore, have no idea the seriousness of such a disrespectful act on our most sacred Memorial.

    “Let it go” is exactly why idiots like Lindsey Stone see no problem with her conduct.

  15. Comment deleted and banned

  16. I’m an atheist that served you piece of shit. How dare you question my service based on my choice (or non choice) of religion. Do you even understand what our Founding Fathers were trying to achieve with the First Amendment?

  17. I don’t ever recall as many nutcases coming out of the woodwork as there have been these days since Obozo was re-elected and the Leftist Sonsabitches were re-energized, Robin. Maybe you “can’t see it”. Better get your glasses checked.

  18. Wow. All those who “fought for our freedom” (including my father, incidentally, as a Marine in WWII) might have something to say about your statement: “If it wasn’t vandals then it was the ACLU, atheists, anti-war ilk and more”. As someone who is 1) an atheist, 2) a supporter of the ACLU, and 3) anti-war (and really, why is that treated as such a bad thing? Who the hell is “pro-war” except maybe the owners of the military-industrial complex) I’m curious if you lump all of us in with the “vandals”. Regardless of whether or not I agree with the politics that cost these people their lives, I’m certainly not going to be disrespectful of their remains or their final resting place. That’s just tacky, no matter who you are. While I’m sure this woman is just some random idiot who thought on the spur of the moment this would be funny (it’s not), let’s not allow things like this to set us at each other’s throats.

  19. Well, ‘some guy,’ I don’t have to depend on my fathers service, I fought communism in Vietnam and stood against it in Germany afterward.

    Perhaps you are just ignorant of what those you support are doing, but I have documented the efforts of atheists, ACLU and anti-war ilk several times on my other blog, this blog and even included a link to one in the post, obviously what you did not click on.

    For your enlightenment

    Veterans, It Is Time We Became Offended Too!

    The Assault On Veterans Memorials Continues

    Mojave War Memorial, JFK Eternal Flame & The Law Of Unintended Consequences

    Veterans Win One. Mojave Cross To Remain

    Mojave Veterans Memorial Torn Down by Vandals

    The Cross Will Again Rise Above the Mojave Desert

    Anonymous Vandals Take Credit for Mojave Veterans Memorial Theft

    From Sea to Shining Sea, Veterans Memorials Continue Under Assault

    Personally, what you believe in regards your God is your business and doesn’t bother me in the least. It does bother me that some of your number have decided to seek the destruction or removal of time honored Veterans Memorials erected long before any of us were born.

    As far as “who the hell is pro-war,” none of us, but we know and are willing to pay the price for your freedom. In fact, you apparently don’t realize it, but your oppositional acts do little more than embolden our enemies and prolong wars when they come along.

    And, since you seem to enjoy Eisenhower’s words on “Military Industrial Complex,” allow me to educate you a little further on what all the outgoing President Eisenhower said in the very same speech,

    “We now stand ten years past the midpoint of a century that has witnessed four major wars among great nations. Three of these involved our own country. Despite these holocausts America is today the strongest, the most influential and most productive nation in the world. Understandably proud of this pre-eminence, we yet realize that America’s leadership and prestige depend, not merely upon our unmatched material progress, riches and military strength, but on how we use our power in the interests of world peace and human betterment.”

    *snip*

    A vital element in keeping the peace is our military establishment. Our arms must be mighty, ready for instant action, so that no potential aggressor may be tempted to risk his own destruction.”

    “Our military organization today bears little relation to that known by any of my predecessors in peacetime, or indeed by the fighting men of World War II or Korea.”

    Until the latest of our world conflicts, the United States had no armaments industry. American makers of plowshares could, with time and as required, make swords as well. But now we can no longer risk emergency improvisation of national defense; we have been compelled to create a permanent armaments industry of vast proportions. Added to this, three and a half million men and women are directly engaged in the defense establishment. We annually spend on military security more than the net income of all United States corporations.”

    Add to this the speech given just 3 days later by incoming Democratic President, John F. Kennedy, when he said in his Inaugural Address;

    “Let the word go forth from this time and place, to friend and foe alike, that the torch has been passed to a new generation of Americans—born in this century, tempered by war, disciplined by a hard and bitter peace, proud of our ancient heritage—and unwilling to witness or permit the slow undoing of those human rights to which this Nation has always been committed, and to which we are committed today at home and around the world.”

    “Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of liberty.”

    “This much we pledge—and more.”

    A little further in the address, he stated,

    “We dare not tempt them [adversarial nations] with weakness. For only when our arms are sufficient beyond doubt can we be certain beyond doubt that they will never be employed.”

    Further still, as we all have heard several times over the years,

    “And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you—ask what you can do for your country.”

    “My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”

    Thank me very much.

    While you may not engage in such disrespectful conduct, those you claim to support have and do. Believe as you will, which is your privilege and that I support, but maybe you should reassess who and what you stand alongside of and support.

  20. Hey Lew, you ever notice how the foul-mouthed nay-sayers never use their real names. Apparently, they are ashamed and embarrassed by what they say, and want to hide behind the skirts of anonymity. And here I thought only people of faith could be hypocrites.

  21. Post your address and phone number, Ron. We’ll be waiting to see your hypocrisy.

  22. Lew, your response is so true and well stated, I ‘d like your permission to share it, give you credit, and direct back here to your blog, if I may.

  23. Ron does post and comment under his real name, Jack.

  24. The ACLU mentioned private companies having more leeway to fire someone for what takes place outside of work… that would be true, but not in this case since it was a work trip. She did this “on the clock.” Sorry, you can show your disrespect to the unemployment office.

  25. And now this, “Meanwhile, FOX 25’s Heather Hegedus spoke with Stone’s father at his Plymouth home. He said he was sad and upset and that this is not a reflection of the type of person his daughter is. He also said that his daughter was sorry and embarrassed because of the situation.”

    http://www.myfoxboston.com/story/20150053/womans-facebook-picture-prompts-internet-outrage

    She’s “sorry and embarrassed?”

    Tell that to Gold Star families.

    What did she think was going to be the outcome?

  26. People that “puff themselves up” as if they’re somehow “better” and accuse other people of “hiding”shouldn’t be afraid to post their phone numbers and addresses. Lew.it has to do with hypocrisy.

  27. Jack, I don’t mean to offend you, but you know darn well with the internet fraud and identity theft that you, I or anyone else would be a fool to publish their phone and address on FB.. Now, just what did I say that rattled you? I think it is obvious that people who do not publish their name feel more free to slander other people that those who have their actual name published. That is not being all puffed up or holy or whatever you want to call it, It is just the facts of life.

  28. Adding insult to injury, it’s now reported,

    Stone’s father, Peter, told WCVB-TV that his daughter is very sorry that she posed for the picture.

    ‘Lindsey called and told me how full of regret she was that this all went down, it was just a spur of the moment total lapse of judgment. She’s very sorry that she offended anybody,’ Peter Stone told the local news station.

    She wasn’t reacting to the place, she was reacting to the sign and she apologizes to everybody.

    http://www.gadailynews.com/news/national/145645-lindsey-stone-outrage-after-massachusetts-woman-flashes-middle-finger-at-arlington-national-cemetery.html

    A hollow “sorry” is not a get out of jail free card

  29. Both women have issued a joint statement,

    “We sincerely apologize for all the pain we have caused by posting the picture we took in Washington DC on Facebook. While posted on a public forum, the picture was intended only for our own amusement. We never meant any disrespect to any of the people nationwide who have served this country and defended our freedom so valiantly. It was meant merely as a visual pun, intending to depict the exact opposite of what the sign said, and had absolutely nothing to do with the location it was taken or the people represented there. We never meant to cause any harm or disrespect to anyone, particularly our men and women in uniform. We realize it was in incredibly poor taste, and are deeply sorry for the offense we have caused.

    We would also like to apologize to LIFE, Inc. It is an amazing organization that provides invaluable services to adults with learning and developmental disabilities. We are beyond remorseful that our actions have caused them such undue public scrutiny. The disrespect implied by our picture has nothing at all to do with LIFE’s mission statement or values. We regret having caused any suffering to the staff members, residents, families and friends.

    Again, we very sincerely apologize to everyone who took offense to the photo. We realize that it was an ignorant and distasteful thing for us to do, but we truly meant no harm. We are deeply sorry. – Lindsey Stone and Jamie Schuh”

    http://boston.cbslocal.com/2012/11/20/facebook-photo-of-plymouth-woman-at-tomb-of-the-unknowns-sparks-outrage/

    That’s their view? It was just “for our own amusement” to do such a disrespectful act at the countries most sacred Memorial?

  30. Well, it amuses me when people get caught doing stupid things like this, THAT is when they are suddenly sorry. What if ti went the other way and she wound up on Colbert or john Stewart? Guess she wouldn’t be so apologetic or sorry is my guess. Kinda like General patreus. He’s only sorry because he got caught. if he was really sorry, he would have done it once and stopped. And, yes, I am guilty of the same failings many humans are.(No, not adultery, just getting caught doing something stupid that I “thought” was funny.) But THIS would NEVER have crossed my mind to do.

  31. For those who read this post and wonder what all the fuss is, this Canadian video explains it well

  32. Yes Ron, I’ve had to deal with Internet people threatening myself, my family, and my neighbors before.So I hear what you’re saying. I don’t post my contact info or that reason.Frankly, I’d rather not have to kill someone for confronting me in person. It’s much too messy. I don’t buy into the theory that person’s opinion carries less “weight” just because he or her doesn’t post their private contact info.

  33. I don’t think it carries less weight. In fact, sometimes it carries too much weight. I try not to write anything I wouldn’t say to your face. I am not here to make enemies. I enjoy the discussion. Sometimes people can get carried away. I don’t want to be one of them, Have a Great thanksgiving.

  34. the”Bill Clinton Kicks the Crap out of Fox News” in the video list above is a real eye-opener. Totally fascinating.

  35. Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours, Ron.

  36. She doesn’t have to worry about being fired. Word is she just vaulted to top pick to fill the pending vacancy at Secretary of State.

  37. Send her to Afghanistan so the Hajj can rape her whore asshole. F****** dirty pig.

  38. Giving this stupid idiot any attention is not worth any time. One glance at the pic and you can see she’s a stupid bitch, that’s all you need to know. Here’s hoping she’s sterile so she doesn’t drag the gene pool down, but otherwise she has a right to be a dumb bitch and we can’t take that away.

  39. Alex, she also ha a right to be held accountable for violations of the rules and regulations covering visits to Arlington Cemetery and the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier.

    We also have a right and the freedom of speech to call her out on her ill behavior and disrespect shown at our most sacred Memorial.

  40. She clearly explains their intentional and unintentional attempts. It really frightens me how blown out of proportion this got. This is just their brand of humor… “I’m doing the opposite of what the sign (authority) is saying to do, haha, aren’t I funny.” I think it’s outrageous that they got fired over this.

  41. D, it’s the place chosen to show “their brand of humor” and it is hardly “blown out of proportion.”

    There are regulations covering visiting of that sacred place which they clearly violated and that could have landed her before a magistrate, if not one of the Old Guard presenting her with a vertical butt stroke for her disrespect and dishonorable conduct.

    It’s indicative of how our country is no longer as great as we once were with so many not realizing what Arlington Cemetery and the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier represents.

    If you really think it was blown out of proportion, stop and think of what would have happened had she pulled such a stunt in a Middle Eastern Country towards a sacred mosque.

    She wouldn’t need to worry about being fired, she’d be stoned to death.

    Try to learn a little respect for those who gave their lives for you to enjoy what little freedoms you have left.

    Or is respect for other people’s sacrifices asking for too much today?

  42. Can we give some credit (blame) to an educational system that does not teach our true American history or a respect for our traditions? Kids are not TAUGHT facts, they are taught to CHALLENGE and QUESTION every American historical, spiritual and political tradition. They are led to believe that there are no absolute truths. Ms Stone is a product of this system operating at it’s worst-Massachusetts. She is the tip of the iceberg of a whole mass of young people that have been raised in this manner. Fortunately we still have a few patriotic young people, like those serving in our military. But most of them have not had the “re-education” provided by our universities. To Ms. Stone and her friends, the Patriots are nothing more than the local football team.

  43. If I may add a note, several people are sympathetic and disagree with these two women losing their jobs, many claiming they “have every right” to do as they did under the constitution, citing of course, the first amendment. That point of view shows only their ignorance of Arlington and laws governing visiting the sacred shrine.

    From the Visitors’ rules for the Arlington National Cemetery we read;

    “Pursuant to title 40 United States Code, sections 318a and 486, and based upon delegations of authority from the Administrator, General Services Administration, the Secretary of Defense, and the Secretary of the Army, this section applies to all Federal property within the charge and control of the Superintendent, Arlington National Cemetery, and to all persons entering in or on such property. At the discretion of the Secretary of the Army, any person or organization that violates any of the provisions of paragraphs (d), (e), (f), (g), and (h), or (i) of this section may be barred from conducting memorial services and ceremonies within the Cemetery for two years from the date of such violation. Any such person shall also be subject to the penalties set out in title 40, United States Code section 318c.”

    (e) Destruction or Removal of Property. No person shall willfully destroy, damage, mutilate or remove any monument, gravestone, structure, tree, shrub, plant or other property located within the Cemetery grounds.

    (f) Conduct within the Cemetery. Because Arlington National Cemetery is a shrine to the honored dead of the Armed Forces of the United States and because certain acts, appropriate elsewhere, are not appropriate in the Cemetery, all visitors, including persons attending or taking part in memorial services and ceremonies, shall observe proper standards of decorum and decency while within the Cemetery grounds. Specifically, no person shall:

    (1) Conduct any memorial service or ceremony within the Cemetery, except private memorial services, without the prior approval of the Superintendent or Commanding General. All memorial services and ceremonies shall be conducted in accordance with the rules established in paragraph (h) and, except for official ceremonies, paragraph (i) of this section. Official ceremonies shall be conducted in accordance with guidance and procedures established by the Commanding General;

    (2) Engage in any picketing, demonstration or similar conduct within the Cemetery grounds;

    (3) Engage in any orations, speeches, or similar conduct to assembled groups of people, unless the oration is part of a memorial service or ceremony authorized by this section;

    (4) Display any placards, banners, flags or similar devices within the Cemetery grounds, unless, in the case of a flag, use of the same is approved by the Superintendent or Commanding General and is part of a memorial service or ceremony authorized by this section;

    (5) Distribute any handbill, pamphlet, leaflet, or other written or printed matter within the Cemetery grounds except that a program may be distributed if approved by the Superintendent or Commanding General and such distribution is a part of a memorial service or ceremony authorized by this section;

    (6) Allow any dog, cat, or other pet to run loose within the Cemetery grounds;

    (7) Use the Cemetery grounds for recreational activities such as sports, athletics, or picnics;

    (8) Ride a bicycle within Cemetery grounds except on Meigs Drive, Sherman Drive and Schley Drive or as otherwise authorized by the Superintendent under this subparagraph. All other bicycle traffic will be directed to the Visitors’ Center where bicycle racks are provided. Exceptions for bicycle touring groups may be authorized in advance and in writing by the Superintendent. An individual visiting a relative’s gravesite may be issued a temporary pass by the Superintendent to permit him to proceed directly to and from the gravesite by bicycle;

    (9) Deposit or throw litter on Cemetery grounds;

    (10) Play any radio, tape recorder, or musical instrument, or use any loudspeaker within the Cemetery grounds unless use of the same is approved by the Superintendent or Commanding General and is part of a memorial service or ceremony authorized by this section;

    (11) Drive any motor vehicle within Arlington National Cemetery in excess of twenty miles per hour or such lesser speed limit as the Superintendent posts;

    (12) Park any motor vehicle in any area on the Cemetery grounds designated by the Superintendent as a no parking area; or leave any vehicle in the Visitors’ Center Parking Lot at the Cemetery beyond two hours;

    (13) Engage in any disorderly conduct within the Cemetery grounds. For purposes of this section, a person shall be guilty of disorderly conduct if, with purpose to cause, or with knowledge that he is likely to cause, public inconvenience, annoyance or alarm, he:

    (i) Engages in, promotes, instigates, encourages, or aids and abets fighting, or threatening, violent or tumultuous behavior;

    (ii) Yells, utters loud and boisterous language or makes other unreasonably loud noise;

    (iii) Interrupts or disturbs a memorial service or ceremony;

    (iv) Utters to any person present abusive, insulting, profane, indecent or otherwise provocative language or gesture that by its very utterance tends to incite an immediate breach of the peace;

    (v) Obstructs movement on the streets, sidewalks, or pathways of the Cemetery grounds without prior authorization by competent authority;

    (vi) Disobeys a proper request or order by the Superintendent, Cemetery special police, park police, or other competent authority to disperse or to leave the Cemetery grounds; or

    (vii) Otherwise creates a hazardous or physically offensive condition by any act not authorized by competent authority.

    (g) Soliciting and Vending. No person shall display or distribute commercial advertising or solicit business while within the Cemetery grounds.

    (h) Requests to Conduct Memorial Services and Ceremonies. (1) Requests by members of the public to conduct memorial services or ceremonies shall be submitted to the Superintendent, Arlington National Cemetery, Arlington, Virginia 22211. Such requests shall describe the proposed memorial service or ceremony in detail to include the type of service, its proposed location, the name of the individual or organization sponsoring the service, the names of all key individuals participating in the service, the estimated number of persons expected to attend the service, the expected length of the service, the service’s format and content, whether permission to use loud-speaker systems or musical instruments or flags during the service is requested and, if so, the number, type, and how they are planned to be used, whether permission to distribute printed programs during the service is requested, and, if so, a description of the programs, and whether military support is requested. Individuals and organizations sponsoring memorial services or ceremonies shall provide written assurance that the services or ceremonies are not partisan in nature, as defined in paragraph (i) of this section, and that they and their members will obey all rules set out in this section and act in a dignified and proper manner at all times while in the Cemetery grounds.

    So no, there is no “right” to do as they did.

    And another thought, many who are upset over the outcome seem to be the very same people who call for or join in efforts to boycott and put companies out of business simply because they may donate funds to the Republican Party or candidates.

    Do they not realize if they were successful, how many people they cause to lose jobs simply for he crime of being employed by someone they disagree with?

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