Democrats Now Want Health Insurers Required to Pay for Abortions

by lewwaters

Fresh on the heels of ramming homosexual marriage off on the people of Washington State, we read where Democrats in the House have passed HB2330, “Concerning health plan coverage for the voluntary termination of a pregnancy.” The bill digest describes the intent of the bill as, “Requires a health plan that provides coverage for maternity care or services to also provide a covered person with substantially equivalent coverage to permit the voluntary termination of a pregnancy.”

According to the Seattle Times, “Starting in 2014, most individual and small group health care plans will under federal law be required to cover a set of medical conditions, among them pregnancy. Exempted under the bill are multistate plans, which are not subject to state law, and religiously sponsored plans.”

The bill states, “If a health plan issued or renewed on or after the effective date of this section provides coverage for maternity care or services, the health plan must also provide a covered person with substantially equivalent coverage to permit the voluntary termination of a pregnancy.”

There are the usual supposed exceptions, but how long before even they are done away with?

At a time we are facing more and more taxes and expenses every where we turn, can you imagine the increase in health care premiums across the board in order for health insurers to be able to pay for abortions on top of everything else they are being required to pay for? Does it dawn on anybody that since insurance companies are a pool of every bodies premiums to pay for health care when needed, everybody will now be paying for the loose conduct of others seeking to obtain an abortion?

Christi Stapleton, Interim Executive Director of  NARAL Pro-Choice Washington was elated hearing of the passage of this bill. She stated, “The measure moves our state one step closer to protecting all Washington women’s access to truly comprehensive reproductive health care coverage.”

The health of unborn females seems to be of little consequence, though.

Opponents believe this will lead to increased abortions, but I wonder too if it will lead to decreased health care as more and more everyday we learn of the hidden intent of Obamacare in leading up towards socialized medical care?

The bill passed in the house by a 52-46 vote with both Sharon Wylie and Jim ‘da candyman’ Moeller co-sponsoring and voting for it.

The roll call vote was as follows;

Voting Yea:  Representatives Appleton, Billig, Blake, Carlyle, Clibborn, Cody, Darneille, Dickerson, Dunshee, Eddy, Fitzgibbon, Goodman, Green, Haigh, Hansen, Hasegawa, Hudgins, Hunt, Hunter, Jinkins, Kagi, Kelley, Kenney, Kirby, Ladenburg, Liias, Lytton, Maxwell, McCoy, Moeller, Morris, Moscoso, Ormsby, Orwall, Pedersen, Pettigrew, Pollet, Reykdal, Roberts, Ryu, Santos, Seaquist, Sells, Springer, Stanford, Sullivan, Takko, Tharinger, Upthegrove, Van De Wege, Wylie, and Mr. Speaker

Voting Nay:  Representatives Ahern, Alexander, Anderson, Angel, Armstrong, Asay, Bailey, Buys, Chandler, Condotta, Crouse, Dahlquist, Dammeier, DeBolt, Fagan, Finn, Haler, Hargrove, Harris, Hinkle, Hope, Hurst, Johnson, Klippert, Kretz, Kristiansen, McCune, Miloscia, Nealey, Orcutt, Overstreet, Parker, Pearson, Probst, Rivers, Rodne, Ross, Schmick, Shea, Short, Smith, Taylor, Walsh, Warnick, Wilcox, and Zeiger

44 Comments to “Democrats Now Want Health Insurers Required to Pay for Abortions”

  1. I’m glad to see that Tim Probst and Paul Harris voted against the bill. I suppose Probst will be targeted for elimination by the Dems in the next election though. They’ll probably withhold support rather than trying to beat him in the primary. They’d rather lose the seat than allow one of their own to go “off the reservation”. Numchucks.

  2. astarlives.blogspot.com
    A blog post on why gay marriage should be legal

  3. I see another “citizen’s initiative” on the horizon. This legislature is “of the reservation” for sure.

  4. Craig, Tim Probst gets out of these votes all the time so he can come across as a “moderate” Dem. The problem is his “moderation” keeps Frank Chop and Jim Moeller in power. They will support him to the end just to keep Frank and Jim in power.

  5. I went to Olympia and sat in on a couple of the legislative sessions.
    I was mind boggled as I watched the ways and means committee vote to add years to the penalty for vehicular Homecide (28 months became 104 months) at the cost of the tax payers to penalize someone for making a choice that resulted in the termination of someone’s life…
    The very next measure which read “voluntary termination of a pregnancy specifically not resulting from an act of rape” shall be paid for and covered in all medical health insurance policies” even those offered by medicaid and thus paid for by the tax payers.
    Now how does that work?
    We will pay for a bad choice when you kill someone accidently and we will paid for a bad choice when you kill someone on purpose?
    Just saying that it is all a little like having twisted sister syndrome…

  6. The world is upside down, Carolyn.

  7. My family always say that I am wasting my time here at web, but I know I am getting knowledge every day by reading such pleasant content.

  8. G’Day! Lewwaters,
    On a similar note,, The truth is that the clowns who voted for this didn’t even KNOW that a lot of this was in there…yeah, go ahead, leave people like that in charge…to DO IT AGAIN

    Why should anyone who voted for this country-bankrupting boondoggle be sent back to congress?

    excerpt…
    » Obamacare won’t decrease health care costs for the government. According to Medicare’s actuary, it will increase costs. The same is likely to happen for privately funded health care.

    » As written, Obamacare covers elective abortions, contrary to Obama’s promise that it wouldn’t. This means that tax dollars will be used to pay for a procedure millions of Americans across the political spectrum view as immoral. Supposedly, the Department of Health and Human Services will bar abortion coverage with new regulations but these will likely be tied up for years in litigation, and in the end may not survive the court challenge.

    » Obamacare won’t allow employees or most small businesses to keep the coverage they have and like. By Obama’s estimates, as many as 69 percent of employees, 80 percent of small businesses, and 64 percent of large businesses will be forced to change coverage, probably to more expensive plans.

    » Obamacare will increase insurance premiums — in some places, it already has. Insurers, suddenly forced to cover clients’ children until age 26, have little choice but to raise premiums, and they attribute to Obamacare’s mandates a 1 to 9 percent increase. Obama’s only method of preventing massive rate increases so far has been to threaten insurers.

    » Obamacare will force seasonal employers — especially the ski and amusement park industries — to pay huge fines, cut hours, or lay off employees.

    » Obamacare forces states to guarantee not only payment but also treatment for indigent Medicaid patients. With many doctors now refusing to take Medicaid (because they lose money doing so), cash-strapped states could be sued and ordered to increase reimbursement rates beyond their means.

    » Obamacare imposes a huge nonmedical tax compliance burden on small business. It will require them to mail IRS 1099 tax forms to every vendor from whom they make purchases of more than $600 in a year, with duplicate forms going to the Internal Revenue Service. Like so much else in the 2,500-page bill, our senators and representatives were apparently unaware of this when they passed the measure.

    » Obamacare allows the IRS to confiscate part or all of your tax refund if you do not purchase a qualified insurance plan. The bill funds 16,000 new IRS agents to make sure Americans stay in line.

    If you wonder why so many American voters are angry, and no longer give Obama the benefit of the doubt on a variety of issues, you need look no further than Obamacare
    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinio…
    Catch you again soon!

  9. Hello Lewwaters,
    Interesting Thoughts, I’m interested in hearing from the proponents of the impending health care proposals. While we do not have an official bill, the outline is there. Working from this information, please answer the question.

    Throw out all of the video clips, various interviews, side-line comments, and slip-ups. This is not about Republicans or Democrats, Liberals or Conservatives or Libertarians. The government is ignoring the Constitution, so let’s take this to the economics of the situation.

    A government-subsidy effectively lowers the operating price of providing insurance below the private insurer’s cost to provide insurance. Private insurers, as well as other tax payers, will be required to fund this subsidy. Private insurers have their current plans grandfathered in, but cannot deviate from the government-mandated coverage to offer lower-coverage and reduce their cost to compete with the government plan.

    Therefore, how will the private sector remain competitive and/or survive? Do you still feel you have a choice? Explain this using the language of economics.
    Regards

  10. Dan, I realize that the unfortunate phenomenon you’re referring to does occur, but I wouldn’t necessarily attribute it to Tim Probst. I’ve met him and have had a couple of conversations with him. He seems like a pretty straight shooter to me. I think he voted his conscience and would vote the same way in a tie vote. I think he’s a real, actual, moderate Democrat – as rare as those are in Washington these days.

    Regarding Carolyn’s observation, it seems to me that the Legislature is saying “the taxpayer pays if a citizen is killed by a negligent driver” and ” the taxpayer pays a citizen to kill another citizen”. They’re making the client and the abortionist the hitmen and the taxpayer becomes the crime boss.

    “If you think your boss is stupid, remember: you wouldn’t have a job if he was any smarter.”

  11. That Probst voted for homosexual marriage tells me all I need to know about what kind of shooter he is.

  12. ba da boom tish

    Funny Lew. Are you saying that you hold it against him for voting his conscience on that too?

  13. No, I’m saying I do not agree with or support his “conscience.”

  14. Fair enough. I’m okay with the way he voted on gay marriage because even though I think homosexuality is a sin and a perversion, people should still be allowed the freedom to make the choices of behavior and association they want to make as long as they’re not harming another person in the process. For the same reason, I’m totally opposed to abortion and make no allowance for freedom of conscience, because that choice destroys another human being.

  15. Probst should have voted with the people and to hell with his personal “conscience”.

    This has absolutely nothing to do with “people should still be allowed the freedom to make the choices of behavior and association they want” because it excluded everybody but Homosexuals. As long as other legal-age adults aren’t allowed “the freedom to make the choices of behavior and association they want’, then the whole thing is total bullsheet and Probst should have seen that.

    I don’t know how you can support a moron who wears political blinders.

  16. My goodness, Lew, litmus tests make debate impossible. Gay marriage and abortion are currently in the political process. You’re an American, you signed up for this, just because it doesn’t go your way doesn’t make everyone on the other side incapable or misinformed.

    Tim Probst should be judged by his intellect and what he does with it to help this state.

  17. Martin, when did I lose my right to disagree and not support any politician I disagree with?

    Everybody has a so called litmus test they use to choose who they will vote for. Unless, of course, they blindly vote partisan with no knowledge at all of who or what they vote for.

    As for his vote for homosexual marriage, no one yet, not even you, has presented anything to show how it improves the state or society. It’s just appeasement of a small group while denying other small groups the same right.

    Yet, you all bill it as EQUALITY!

    By the way, I’m just a down to earth blue collar kind of guy. Intellectuals bore the living hell out of me and although they may make more money, I find many to be absolute dumbasses when it comes to common sense, present company excluded.

  18. Gee Martin, no American ever “signed up” to have a bunch of arrogant bastards pervert our political process. The legislature clearly isn’t playing by the rules of this nation and the SOB’s deserve to be slapped across the face for what they’ve done.

    The voters rule this nation and it’s about time the political pukes “got the message”.

    Probst deserves to have his weenie little political ass thrown out with the rest of the arrogant morons who are thumbing their noses at the voters in this state. You can stay in your bent-over position if it makes you happy.

  19. The ONLY issue I’m certain about is that I will vote against all Marxists – because their beliefs are counter to the U.S. Constitution. There is NO other single issue (“litmus test”) that would chase me away from a good candidate, especially political debates that have strong arguments on both sides.

    I accept that you’re anti-gay-marriage, anti-abortion. I understand your arguments. I can’t even say you’re wrong because many of your arguments are good. I certainly don’t let your positions on those two issues (which I disagree with) affect my respect for your position on the thousands of other issues that are up for debate.

  20. Martin, it isn’t a matter of personal disrespect, but of disagreement. As much as I disagree with Probst, I have more respect for him than I do Jaime Herrera Beutler, Ron Paul, Rob McKenna and many of the so called leaders in the Washington State Republican Party.

    Our discussions here are far different as neither of us are elected officials making the laws to ram down other peoples throats against their will.

    As for abortion, I totally disagree with it as a form of birth control, which to me is different than the morning after pill as a woman taking that does not know yet she is pregnant. Others disagree with me and that is okay. But to now vote to make the rest of us pay for someone elses abortion against our will is just wrong.

    But the biggie for me is homosexual marriage while denying it to others of a different deviant lifestyle. That is a major societal change that society is denied a voice in. If it was passed as a vote by the people, I would still disagree with it, but the people would have spoken. I guess then the “whims of a majority” that Lisa Brown spoke of would be okay ;-)

    I’ve watched Tim Probst and don’t buy his “opposition to tax increase.” While technically true, he also knows they will pass without his vote. At the same time, can you tell me what Republican spending cuts bill or amendments he has supported?

  21. “Intellectuals scare the living hell out of me”

    Fixed your post.

  22. “A fiscal conservative, Probst was one of a handful of Democrats to vote against the 2010-11 supplemental budget and the taxes on candy, soda and bottled water that helped fund it. He has a record of voting against all state tax increases, as acknowledged by the Evergreen Freedom Foundation, a conservative budget watchdog organization that ranked him the No. 1 state legislator for opposing new taxes two years in a row.”

    http://www.columbian.com/news/2010/oct/08/probst-peck-face-off-in-17th-district/

  23. Greg, I doubt you are capable of “fixing” a broken pencil lead.

    But, you do show the liberal tendency to believe they need to fix things that are not broken.

  24. It’s funny that you keep calling me a liberal, just because I support gay marriage. But, as Craig has pointed out, seems that you have an unnatural fixation on the issue. Wonder why that is….

  25. That is my point exactly, Craig.

    He votes against budget bills and tax bills, with full knowledge they will pass, given the Democrats majority.

    Have you looked at some of his bills though, on education? At least one I recall would have likely steered a lot of state money towards a company he set up.

    Then too, if he is as fiscal of a conservative as claimed, can you show me just which amendments or spending bills he has supported from the Republican minority?

    Good luck finding them, they seem rare or non-existent.

  26. If it quacks like a liberal, waddles like a liberal, then there is a reasonably good chance it is a liberal.

    Why are you ashamed of admitting what you are? That seems to be prevalent amongst liberals today.

  27. One issue defines a person, Lew? Really? Back to making ASSumptions again, I see. Hardly a basis for intelligent decision making. But of course, intelligence is not your bag, as you have so adequately pointed on.

  28. Bills Probst Co-Sponsored with Repubicans:

    HB 1150 Extending the time in which a small business may correct a violation without a penalty.

    HB 1151 Reducing the regulatory burden for Washington businesses.

    HB 1154 Extending the business and occupation tax credit for research and development.

    HB 1663 Removing the requirement that institutions of higher education purchase from correctional industries.

    And those are just a few examples from the last session Lew.

  29. Give it a rest, Greg, you are the biggest hypocrite I allow on my site when it comes to defining people.

  30. Okay, Lew…throw out an insult, back it up. Provide examples of my being a hypocrite.

  31. Oh, Craig…you know that Lew will never let facts get in the way of a good rant.

  32. Greg,
    Lew has strong opinions, and can be quite combative at times, but he’s always been intellectually honest and fair-minded in my conversations with him.

  33. …but I have to admit it’s like pulling teeth to get him to concede a point…

  34. Greg is the resident “punching bag”. He comes here to get his miserable ass kicked. He’s a “closet masochist”.

  35. Lew doesn’t have to “concede” when he’s winning, Craig.

  36. “Hillbilly” is a “good example” of the “intelligent” followers that Lew attracts.

  37. Jack,

    We’ll see if Lew is “winning”. He has yet to respond to my post outlining examples of Tim Probst’s cooperation with Republicans to reduce taxes and eliminate stupid regulations.

  38. HB 1150 Extending the time in which a small business may correct a violation without a penalty.

    passed; yeas, 96; nays, 0;

    HB 1151 Reducing the regulatory burden for Washington businesses.

    No vote, reintroduced

    HB 1154 Extending the business and occupation tax credit for research and development.

    No vote, reintroduced

    HB 1663 Removing the requirement that institutions of higher education purchase from correctional industries.

    passed; yeas, 95; nays, 0

    Now, let’s look at some more. Probst sponsored HB 1599, “the Pay for Actual Student Success Act.” Where is the funding coming from?

    Also, HB 1244 voted Yes 2009-2011 Biennium Budget

    03/04/2009 HB 1329 Child Care Center Unionization voted Yes. This bill, had it passed the Senate would have resulted in forcing childcare centers into public unions. This is the same bill I criticized Jaime Herrera over.

    04/15/2009 SB 5599/HB 1598 National Popular Vote Act voted Yes

    04/15/2009 SB 5688/HB 1727 Expanding Domestic Partnership Rights voted Yes

    01/20/2010 HB 2561 Energy Efficiency Improvement Bonds voted Yes

    Sponsored HB 2630 Creating the opportunity express program, a bill “that will provide more money for training workers for key occupations…” and might have sent funds to Washington Workforce Association, the company Tim Probst just happens to be CEO of.

    Sponsored HB 2227, the evergreen jobs act, creating A Green Industries Job Training Account. “Green” energy has been a big loss to taxpayers who sink tax dollars in failing “Green” companies such as Solyndra, Evergreen Solar Inc., SpectraWatt, Amonix, Inc. and Ener1.

    He also is sponsoring HB 2265 that would create a reward system for state educators who increase graduation rates. Nice thought, but the money is coming from where?

    In a Dec 2010 Columbian article Probst said of CRC, “It creates 20,000 jobs. That’s the most important part, for me.” That 20,000 number has been shown to be a fallacy by the reports recounting jobs yearly. And what of the cost to locals?

    These are also “just a few examples.”

  39. Lew, I was responding to your suggestion that Probst didn’t work with Republicans on tax and other issues. It wasn’t meant as a wholesale defense of everything he’s sponsored or supported. That would be impossible. He is a Democrat after all. I still maintain that he’s one of the few moderates left.

    If he’s sponsored or supported any pro-abortion legislation, I’m unaware of it. If he has, then he’s crossed the line for me and I would no longer support him under any circumstance less than a full repudiation of a pro-abortion stance.

  40. Craig, the 4 bills you listed were not strong stands by any legislator. As I showed, of the two passed they were unanimous. They are not examples of siding with Republicans in spending cuts or lowering taxes.

    Of the bills I gave you, many are examples of bills that would require more spending or diverting funds from somewhere else.

    Some have admirable goals, but the fact remains that they will not receive funds unless taxes or fees are raised somewhere else.

    That is what I mean in my view of him.

    As for abortion, he seems to slide there just as he does on CRC tolling. NARAL lists him as “mixed.” http://www.prochoicewashington.org/politicalupdates/legislators.shtml

    LifePAC claims he was endorsed by Planned Parenthood in 2008 http://www.lifepac.org/ss1/2008/probst.htm but the endorsements are no longer showing in order to verify.

    Also, for Greg, these are also examples showing my opposition is not limited to a single issue.

    Suck it up, Greg.

  41. “Suck it up, Greg”

    Yes, sir. I deserved that one, I guess.

  42. I don’t know what “mixed” means, but if it’s coming from the death merchants it can’t be good. I’ve emailed Probst to see what’s going on.

    You did a better job than I in vetting those bills. I just took a quick look to see what they were and who sponsored them.

  43. I take “mixed” as he is anti-abortion, except under certain circumstances. But, his clarification will be more reliable than my thoughts.

  44. Greg, Lew and I kick your miserable ass constantly. We can do so separately or together, take your choice. I’m so sorry that it makes you unhappy. Perhaps you ought to just accept that fact that you’re just full of excrement and you can’t win an argument.

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